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March 18, 2009

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Chris

Shock! Civitas once again selectively picks comments that supports its view and ignores ones that don't.

I didn't see anywhere in this post that the CEO survey was also based on TAXES. I seem to recall you guys ranting often that corporate taxes are too high in North Carolina.

As for regulation, is unionization the only regulation you think is worrisome? That's good news that you guys support all the other public healthy and safety regulations, environmental regulations, worker regulations, etc., that are currently in place, the ones the CEOs apparently don't think are a burden to doing business here.

It's nice to know we are on the same side about regulation and business taxes.

Chris Hayes

Who's selectively picking comments? I think you did first by attempting to highlight taxes and regulation as two of the many criteria CEOs use to evaluate a state.

You also fail in your assumption that the criteria are all weighed equally. One look at the rankings and it's obvious that right-to-work status is the main factor guiding these rankings. Your beloved "taxes and regulation" are much smaller pieces of the overall puzzle. But in your typical progressive mind, you think everything should be equalized even when its not.

If two states were competing, one had a high tax rate but right-to-work protections and other had very low taxes but was a forced unionization state, where do you think a company is going to locate? The costs of unionization are much higher and more punitive than a state's corporate tax rate.

brian b

Comment from "Chris":
"I didn't see anywhere in this post that the CEO survey was also based on TAXES."

From the post in question:
"Fitzsimon chooses to highlight the CEO's ranking of North Carolina TAX and regulation structure as being friendly to business."

SHOCK! NC Policy Watch makes a flippant comment about Civitas without first reading the material.

By the way, if CEO's love NC so much, why do we have the sixth highest unemployment rate in the US?
http://www.bls.gov/lau/
One would think that, especially during these hard times, CEO's would be flooding the great tax and regulatory haven of this state with their businesses.

One last question: how is unionization working out for the US auto industry?

Chris

Let me get this straight. You guys write an entire post focussing ONLY on unionization and then are shocked why I wonder why you didn't comment on the fact that the survey is based on taxes, which you always say are too high and regulation, which you always say are too burdensome.

As to Brian's comment, do you think the survey is valid or not? If you do, then your comment about CEOs "loving NC so much" doesn't follow. The CEOS say they do.

And please explain how you know the survey is weighted the way you say. The story in Chief Executive says this.

"Chief Executive's fifth annual survey asked 543 CEOs to evaluate their states on a broad range of issues, including proximity to resources, regulation, tax policies, education, quality of living and infrastructure. Providing additional insight to the evaluations, CEOs were also asked to grade each state based on the following criteria: 1) Taxation & Regulation, 2) Workforce Quality, and 3) Living Environment.

That hardly sounds like a survey that weighs unionization above all else or even weighs it more.

The bottom line is that CEOs say North Carolina is the second best place in the country to do business now, under current laws, current taxes, and current regulations...the ones you constantly say are strangling economic development.

As to who began the flippancy, check your own initial headline, unless you weigh my flippancy more than yours, and I accept that possibilitym, as you are apparently able to divine how surveys and opinions are weighted.

Chris Hayes

If the business climate is so great, why is unemployment at 9.7%, in the top 5 highest in the nation?

brian b

"As to Brian's comment, do you think the survey is valid or not? If you do, then your comment about CEOs "loving NC so much" doesn't follow. The CEOS say they do."

They may 'say' they love NC in this survey, but actions speak louder than words.
Unemployment: 9.7% - sixth highest in the nation

My comments merely highlight a disconnect between what the survey says and the actual state of NC's economy. If, like you believe, that magazine surveys are the end-all determing factor in a state's business climate - where are the results?


"That hardly sounds like a survey that weighs unionization above all else or even weighs it more."

The 'survey' may not weigh unionization above all else. But, beleive me, the CEO's sure weigh it pretty heavily when deciding upon their response.

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